Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon and Satanism

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was merge with Pokemon. ugen64 00:12, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pokémon and Satanism[edit]

This article exhibits significant POV problems. The topic is also already covered in a much more complete and encyclopedic fashion in the main article Pokemon. Katefan0 17:26, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep and move the more complete and encylopedic coverage to this page. Kappa 18:05, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge. Filled with POV. Should be covered in Pokemon. If it's to be broken out I prefer a more neutral title. However, the correct wording escapes me at the moment. (I'm not native English speaking). Mgm|(talk) 18:40, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. POV problems are a not a reason to delete. The Pokemon article covers more controversies, but its intent is different from this article's. Demi 19:11, 2005 Mar 10 (UTC)
    • Intent is different... I guess, maybe, but it's also inferior to the main article in addressing the subject. Katefan0 19:25, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
      • If by "inferior" you mean "containing more detail and a reference," then yes. Demi 19:31, 2005 Mar 10 (UTC)
  • Merge to Pokemon. Look at the Harry Potter article for a good presentation of charges of satanism within an article. If we keep, we should change it to Accusations of Satanism in Pokemon or some such. DaveTheRed 20:50, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, possible merge. I have some previous experience with this article; a while back I changed a little language, put in a anti-Pokémon primary source instead of the rambling personal homepage chat conversation there previously, and changed the title from "Satanism and Pokémon" (because the subject is really Pokémon rather than Satanism). The title could well be changed. This should only be merged if you want all of the detailed information in the Pokémon article. I also suspect there is still some room for expansion, as the points there are only treated very briefly as bullet points. For example, how does this compare to beliefs of other supposed signs of Satanism in popular culture? Actually, Allegations of Satanism in popular culture could be an interesting article in itself.--Pharos 21:40, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • It would be an interesting article and this would of course be worthy of inclusion therein, but is anyone going to actually take on that sort of task? I suspect not, and therefore I think the debate should center on whether this should be left as a standalone article, or if what's already in Pokemon is good enough (personally, I think the main article handles it much better). Katefan0 21:42, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
      • The section in the general Pokémon article certainly is introduced better, but the details in the other article should not be cut out entirely if there is a merger. As to Allegations of Satanism in popular culture, I think I might start this myself.--Pharos 22:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep/Move: Should probably be under a clearly NPOV title—how about Allegations of Satanism in Pokémon? I'm usually mergist, but I can see it would make sense to put a couple paragraphs in Pokémon with a breakout to this article. The article could use some citations and sources, as well as a bit more reaction from the pro-Pokémon factions, but that's no reason for deletion. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 23:11, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, it's a helpful article. Wyss 00:55, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • merge to pokemon Yuckfoo 00:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Pokémon. --Ryan! | Talk 01:04, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Pokémon. Megan1967 05:30, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge/redirect to Pokemon until this section starts getting big enough to justify its own article. --Idont Havaname 06:04, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, rename and rewrite to remove POV. Miss Pippa 06:08, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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